In a heated Senate confirmation hearing for Pete Hegseth, Sen. Tammy Duckworth grilled the proposed defense secretary over the Association of Southeast Asian Nations, asking him if he could name one member and how many countries were in the bloc.

Even though Trump has not officially been inaugurated, the Senate can confirm cabinet members before his Oath of Office.

At his confirmation hearing, the defense-secretary nominee looked like a man who understood that the fix was in.

The 10-nation bloc, known as ASEAN, has been useful for the United States in countering China’s influence in the Indo-Pacific. Many member nations have territorial disputes with China, which has become increasingly assertive in pressing those claims.